lightsoul wrote:Daniel, you're last paper was fascinating. It answered so many questions for me, but at the same time, opened up so many more...
That's what my papers are supposed to do... great!
lightsoul wrote:Firstly, I'm just trying to make some links to the Gnostics... ok, sorry if a bit vague but it's late and I'm just so curious at this time of night.
So archons=annunaki? And what is the relation to this 'material world' that Yaldabaoth/Demiurge created to the history in your last paper?
Who is this central figure that the Gnostics believed to be the creator of the material world, feeds of negative emotions/fear? I wasn't sure if it was Enlil or ?? It cant be right? How do you interpret this whole scenario? About the material world, the feeding off negative fear and emotions etc...
It is not a simple correlation, because of excessive
anthropomorphism (morphing concepts into human images). First, understand how mankind came into being--as genetic creations of the Annunaki, whom also created the cities and terraformed a lot of the planet for their needs. You have to give credit where credit is due, and let's face it, the Annunaki ARE the "creator gods." Though they were seldom seen directly by people, their progeny--mainly giant humanoids--were. So we associate "creation" (of ourselves and material things) as a function of these humanoid gods. That built an internal connection in the psyche associating things mankind could not comprehend as being an act of a god. As far as early man was concerned, "unknown" means "made by Annunaki god."
In order to get man to procreate, additional Neanderthal genetics were added by Enki that gave man a soul, and the ability to evolve a spirit. Over the centuries, this spirit in man grew and started influencing his actions, and man sought an explanation for these new unknowns, and went right back to his "programming," namely, "made by god." And as a result, we ended up with demiurges, angels and demons galore. After all, WE were created by "gods," so why shouldn't everything else be? There was no contradicting data--because they didn't have the Reciprocal System back then!
Gnosticism, and related systems, got their start when man started to experience the spiritual side, provided by his Neanderthal ancestry. In order to better access and understand it, they set out to eliminate the "noise," which led to the practices of abstinence, poverty, and the deprivation practices of early religion--quiet down the material side, to hear this new-found spiritual side. Unfortunately, it was not attributed to a natural process of the evolution of consciousness because it was new and unknown--and therefore must be a gift from the creator, based on past experience. Then you get the upper/lower division entrenched into the psyche (documented in those charts in the last paper as heaven/hell), which biases the consciousness into those systems of rivalry. Since man was on Earth and the Annunaki were in spaceships, and the gods must have spirituality if they gave it to man... you can see where this line of reasoning led: god is spiritual, man is material, and in order to be spiritual, one must be god-like, etc, etc.
Much of the concept of archons, angels, demons and the like, were the attempts of the "fallen" Annunaki (that took a liking to humanity), and tried to teach them their knowledge as a series of challenges, where the process of doing the challenge (Alchemy, or example), moved and transferred bioenergy to the relatively inactive portions of the psyche, switching them on to allow further growth and development. In other words, to "make you think." And by the process of thinking, learning.
Enlil and the other "gods" of the stars, just wanted slavery and "do what you're told." That's it. So you do what you're told, or we'll squish you like a bug--which is easy, when you're a 20-foot tall amphibian doing the squishing.
The "feeding off of negative emotions" is a psychological ploy to keep you a slave. What's the easiest negative emotion to create an control? Fear. Particularly if you're going to burn in hell for all eternity, if you fail to do what the "servants of a loving god" tell you to do. The negative emotions don't "feed" them; but they do hand over the reigns of power and control.
lightsoul wrote:Secondly, I'm just trying to understand this link to the occult. What christians/catholics call 'demons', you slightly mentioned in a diagram in your last paper as 'fallen ascended'... Those who have ascended and chosen a path of dishonor/ sts... (right?) Why is it that most stories about possession/hauntings/etc, the 'demons' are religious in nature like they are opposed to christ or holy objects, exorcisms etc... is the victim just interpreting it in a way that they know? Is this just a hollywood thing or...? I'm talking about also the use of black magic/ summoning demons/ rituals/ etc..why are they religious in nature and convince people to turn to Christ/The Church/The False Light? Aleister Crowley... a major figure in the occult/ what are your thoughts on him and his peculiar link to other realms?
Ample evidence has now come out that Jesus H. Christ was actually a fictitious character, created by Joseph bar Mattheus (Joseph of Aramathea) under the direction of the Roman Flavian Caesars, in order to position General Titus Flavius as the "second coming" of this Christ to convert the massive, Hebrew army that was about to trash the Roman empire, into Roman supporters. It worked remarkably well, so the "Old World Order" created a Church and positioned their own people into the new Church as leaders, and kept the whole thing going for 2000 years now. Not what Christians want to hear, but as you know, everything you know is backwards.
The "Fallen Ascended" were entities that were able to ascend to the higher realms, developed the abilities (psionics) to alter the physical environment as an act of will, but could not leave well enough alone and re-engaged the physical system, forcing them back down into it. The New Age term is the "Wanderer." Much like the case of Daniel Jackson in
Stargate SG-1, where he ascended, got involved with the physical universe again, and got thrown out by the ascended ancients.
What people don't understand is that when you're "done with the physical," you are DONE with it, and have to move
forward. If you can't leave it alone, then you still have lessons to learn, and should not have ascended to begin with, because you weren't ready. This is what is termed, "dishonor," because you are leaving the Density of Honor.
Regarding angels and demons; most were just subordinates to the Annunaki. Since Enlil was the ruling god after the "fall to Earth" (put in shuttlecraft and sent down to the planet) of Enki and the other gods that cared about humans, you ended up with this split. Angels were Enlil troops; demons were Enki's--if you were a "good slave." The other way around, if you weren't. Most of the associated behavior and imagery is just good propaganda on the part of the supporters of Enlil.
There was a time when you COULD summon angels and demons; it is fairly well documented in legends. But there was nothing angelic or demonic about the process, any more than there would be about requesting a tutor from a Professor in University.
These days you don't have the Annunaki hanging around, so the demons and angels have degenerated into those entities that are stuck in the transition between this Realm and the Other Realm, the ghosts (3rd and 4th density). The classification depends on the service mentality; STS entities are the demons, whereas STO entities are the angels.
I've read a few of Crowley's books. It appears he figured out some of the "forbidden knowledge of the gods" that Enki's troops were teaching, but distorted it towards self-interest. The information is interesting if you examine the patterns of knowledge presented, rather the application of that knowledge towards ego-centrism.
I hope this little "alternative view" of things gives you a different way to look at the systems involved, and draw your own conclusions. Think outside the box!