Snowden and Truth

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Re: Snowden and Truth

Post by deepfsh » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:40 pm

maeghan wrote:Deepfish, I've now spent my entire evening watching Maxwell videos on youtube.
daniel wrote:Since you've already watched a lot of it, what is Maxwell "selling," and how is he selling it?
So, what are your thoughts and feelings about him? Were you only entertained or did you question his research and are willing to corroborate or refute it?
maeghan wrote:There seems to be many people out there that say he's 'sold out' I guess.
I would agree with... you guessing this. Leo Zagami once said that you can find "everything and the contrary of everything" on the web. Since Maxwell is - I believe - the most famous, or at least eclectic, (still living) senior lecturer/researcher of the occult on the web, I suggest you question him thoroughly (as he suggests us to do with everything in life, especially the "adults") by listening and reading all his available material and come to a conclusion by yourself. According to my experience, this will either "make you or brake you", so be careful what you wish for, if you decide to do it.

There is one thing I noticed about Maxwell's, daniel's, and bruce's public engagement. The number of people who really question them and are willing to listen (not only hear) to them and their research is (probably / obviously) very small. That's why Jordan has always said that "people will always pay for what they want to hear, not what they don't want to hear". And usually, people expect a "saviour", possibly a handsome one, who would do the work (solve the problems, or simply take the lead) instead of them.

A typical application of the above-mentioned Jordan's quote is last year's Project Camelot's "Time Travel" conference, which was labeled by a commenter on Wilcock's Divine Cosmos (formerly Ascension 2000) website - if I remember it correctly, couldn't find it - as "the Doomsday Conference", because of Maxwell's (old and well-known) remarks, which were diametrically opposed to Wilcock's - funnily, he was sitting next to him.

I wrote two Maxwell's quotes from that conference in one of my older posts. A 73-year old man (at that time) is speaking:
- "Well, yes, we are seeing people waking up every day. But that happens every day in the prison in San Quentin - everyone are waking up every morning, and they are waking up, but they're still in prison".
- "I think too many people in our country today are like last Christmas lights - half of them don't work and the other half aren't that bright".
maeghan wrote:The reason why I question him and why I'm asking for your opinions is his story about the 'business proposition' and he said it hasn't happened yet. Makes me think it did happen or might have happened. (Me being the skeptic.)
I remember I mentioned this "business deal" in one of my older posts. Based on my research, the only time he said that was in an interview he did with Bill Ryan in 2010, which tells me it's not really so important. I find that story very entertaining, but that's just one out of many much more interesting or unusual Jordan's experiences - some of them are like bruce's and daniel's.

If you want to know him better, I would suggest you listen to these interviews: Jordan Maxwell - Close Encounters and other stories, Childhood Memories 1, Childhood Memories 2, Jordan's Peak Experiences, Jordan Maxwell Files 0004, Jordan Maxwell Files 0005, Jordan Maxwell Files 0006, Jordan Maxwell Files 0007. And read these articles: Cross(reference)ing Jordan, Doing His Own Homework, Jordan Maxwell, Jordan Maxwell Returns.
maeghan wrote:I'm curious Daniel & Deepfish what you guys think of Maxwell?
I especially pay attention to his (and other researchers') lectures and interviews (audio and video) from the Nineties, when there was no Internet like today, and doing research was maybe more engaging. With today's disinformation on the web, he can also get hoodwinked, so I try to check the references from the web as time permits - I usually bookmark the links and add a few comments for potential later research, based on a quick web search.

If somebody wants to research his material, I would recommend you to start with his former and obviously soon-to-be-again official web page, and also his temporary web page, as a starting point. Another good page are his "a picture is worth a thousand words" contributions at Rense.com. Here's one of them:
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Funny, ha? I knew I was not the only one who "noticed" it on the day of the wedding.

Plus, his books: Matrix of Power (the movie Matrix is supposedly based on one of his lectures from the Ancient Mysteries Series from the Nineties which was later released as a book), That Old-Time Religion, The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You to Read (paper on Astro-theology), Symbols, Sex, and the Stars in Popular Beliefs (foreword), Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy (foreword).
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Re: Snowden and Truth

Post by maeghan » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:30 pm

deepfsh wrote: If somebody wants to research his material, I would recommend you to start with his former and obviously soon-to-be-again official web page, and also his temporary web page, as a starting point. Another good page are his "a picture is worth a thousand words" contributions at Rense.com. Here's one of them:
  • More British Programming wrote:Image
Funny, ha? I knew I was not the only one who "noticed" it on the day of the wedding.

Plus, his books: Matrix of Power (the movie Matrix is supposedly based on one of his lectures from the Ancient Mysteries Series from the Nineties which was later released as a book), That Old-Time Religion, The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You to Read (paper on Astro-theology), Symbols, Sex, and the Stars in Popular Beliefs (foreword), Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy (foreword).
I want to address other things you mention, but I first must address this: the photo ... i posted it to my facebook. I'm not a fan of disney movies and I wasn't when I was a child so I had to look up what movie these photos came from.

Here's what I found: http://www.twopeasinabucket.com/mb.asp? ... id=3092183

There is something that I've noticed on the internet and it really is disconcerting; it's really become apparent that there is a ton of disinfo agents or something that infiltrate groups of people to discredit the entire group. It's really really sad. What's even more sad is that my previous statement could be read by someone and they could assume me to be completely mad.
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Re: Snowden and Truth

Post by pgolde » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:15 pm

daniel wrote: There's so many musical people on this site, you folks should get together and do some rapport-based music... something inspiring, rather than all that sex, drugs and rock-and-roll stuff the kids are addicted to. There's probably some technique (if not, invent one!) to make music tune in to the pituitary system and stimulate the 3D time connection.
great idea

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Re: Snowden and Truth

Post by maeghan » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:13 am

deepfsh wrote:According to my experience, this will either "make you or brake you", so be careful what you wish for, if you decide to do it.

There is one thing I noticed about Maxwell's, daniel's, and bruce's public engagement. The number of people who really question them and are willing to listen (not only hear) to them and their research is (probably / obviously) very small. That's why Jordan has always said that "people will always pay for what they want to hear, not what they don't want to hear". And usually, people expect a "saviour", possibly a handsome one, who would do the work (solve the problems, or simply take the lead) instead of them.
Well, I decided to look up the word 'entertain' and well, I don't trust modern dictionaries. So I went to the Online Etymology and well, the word entertain means "to keep up, maintain, to keep (someone) in a certain frame of mind."

So, the last thing I want to do now is to keep people in a certain frame of mind; I would much prefer to free people from any frame of mind since a frame essentially restricts.

I found Daniel's papers and this website because I was questioning/researching David's material. I chose the red pill a long time ago (well, I think I might have ingested it at birth but a little over 20 years later I chose it again.)

The only thing that will make me or break me is myself. I will be broken if I don't take myself, what I know, what I feel, and apply it towards my creative endeavors. I want to inspire people with my music; it's gotten to the point though that I need to do this for myself and not because I have to do it. So, this is what's gonna make me or break me. No one outside of myself can break me ... I've already endured enough in this lifetime. I've experienced enough pain and I've got a daughter that my parents are raising because they decided that "I'm no good for her." :(

Anywho .. Jordan Maxwell speaks to me in a way that few do. I'm trying to listen to one of the links you sent to me but I'm too distracted at the moment.

At this point in my life journeys and research I know without a doubt that what we (the human race) have been told is a lie. We do not know our history and we haven't been told the truth about our origins.

I think that there are many clues in the Bible and in other pieces of literature, art, and music. Architecture too is also telling; example: the Giza Pyramids, the Teotihuacan pyramids, Gobekli Tepe, and one of my favorites Puma Punku.

I absolutely love what J.J. Abrahms did with the 2nd Star Trek movie; he opened with the Captain Kirk and Bones running from an indigenous people. Before you even see that you see a planet and name for the planet:
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Ahhhh, and then they get in trouble for breaking the 'prime directive' on a planet called Nibiru which when they left the planet you could see the natives worshipping the image of the Enterprise. (Another brilliant aspect to this movie was how it was sort of a mirror image of the original, the Wrath of Khan.

So I like to search and dig deeper (obviously, that is why I am here) but at the same time; I think that one can almost get lost digging and digging. What is it you are digging for?

I so badly just want to scream out to people "You are being used, programmed, and lied to and you don't know it!" .. but I know if I do this, people won't listen and I'll most likely get locked away in the looney bin. There's something to be said for speaking in riddles, or parables ... for those who have ears to hear, let them hear. Maybe not all people are not meant to hear. I don't know.

Hmmmm, I'll leave this message here with this, it tickles my feathers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp-KwrzwpJI
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Re: Snowden and Truth

Post by Lozion » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:30 am

maeghan wrote:Hmmmm, I'll leave this message here with this, it tickles my feathers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp-KwrzwpJI
Serious bone tone.
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Re: Snowden and Truth

Post by maeghan » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:49 am

daniel wrote: There's so many musical people on this site, you folks should get together and do some rapport-based music... something inspiring, rather than all that sex, drugs and rock-and-roll stuff the kids are addicted to. There's probably some technique (if not, invent one!) to make music tune in to the pituitary system and stimulate the 3D time connection.
yes, Daniel ... it is a great idea. I've had numerous opportunities to collaborate with people online. The problem with this is it's not the type of collaboration I would like. Human interaction ... presence to me is the ideal way to collaborate. (Granted, I might change my mind in the future.)
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Re: Snowden and Truth

Post by maeghan » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:50 am

Lozion wrote:
maeghan wrote:Hmmmm, I'll leave this message here with this, it tickles my feathers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp-KwrzwpJI
Serious bone tone.
I don't know what you mean by this ... would you mind elaborating? :)
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Re: Snowden and Truth

Post by Lozion » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:23 am

maeghan wrote:
Lozion wrote:
maeghan wrote:Hmmmm, I'll leave this message here with this, it tickles my feathers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp-KwrzwpJI
Serious bone tone.
I don't know what you mean by this ... would you mind elaborating? :)

The guy has a great trombone sound...
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Re: Snowden and Truth

Post by maeghan » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:32 am

Lozion wrote: The guy has a great trombone sound...
haha .. ok, yeah ... i love the lyrics of the song:
Feel the music son, we got you programmed like a beat
When I press snare, yo, guard your grill
Press kick, you move your feet, you cant compete
I got my hydrants parked on every street

Im federal nigga, son of sun, come close and feel the heat
I am the streets, the white lines only separate me from me
You hydroplane in false gods name and still crash into me
Sign and tree, mountainside, guardrail into the sea

They thought they stole you from my arms then carried you to me
Heres the key, DNA encoded in a beat
White rocks in a vial, nigga, aint got nuthin on me
Bitch Im free, ask these editors at MTV

Far as they know theyre publishing some new school poetry
Let it be cause even that will do to turn the key
Doorways into other worlds, the truth shall set you free
You are me, I am you, but also Im he

Shepherd of a bastard flock that grazes in the streets
Feel the beat nod your head lean back, yo, touch your feet
Let me see you pop that thang right there girl in your seat
Feel the heat, count this page amongst your whitest sheets
Comfort in my every word slide under countless sheep

Hail Mary, Mother of God
Got the whole host of angels shuffling in my iPod
Niggas learned to raise their voices when I lowered my rod
Staff of Moses, Pharaoh knows it, son, my word is my bond

Tune my heart with mind, speak my nature, divine
Callin' shit into existence back in '79
With the future in my pocket tightly gripped like a 9
Keep my finger on the trigger waiting for the right time

Ancient niggas align, path of cosmic design
Blood of kings cause Saturns rings dont need no diamonds to shine
Yes, the reason for the season, ornamented divine
Coded Language of the mystics with my fist in the sky

Keep your head up, we represent the real, my nigga dead up
Book of the dead, history bled, this nigga fed up
Led us to despair, some into prayer and they wont let up
Until they got us worshiping them false gods instead of the realness
God of the streets, my niggas feel this

We nod our heads and worship through beats
Go ahead and kneel
Its the love that makes the cipher complete
And itd displayed through the way the bass line marries the beat

Hail Mary, Mother of God
Got the whole host of angels shuffling in my iPod
Niggas learned to raise their voices when I lowered my rod
Staff of Moses, Pharaoh knows it, son, my word is my bond

Tune my heart with mind, speak my nature, divine
Callin' shit into existence back in '79
With the future in my pocket tightly gripped like a 9
Keep my finger on the trigger waiting for the right time

Ancient niggas align, path of cosmic design
Blood of kings cause Saturns rings dont need no diamonds to shine
Yes, the reason for the season, ornamented divine
Coded language of the mystics with my fist in the sky

Keep your head up
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Re: Snowden and Truth

Post by maeghan » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:18 am

I find this peculiar; I went to Maxwell's site and it mentioned something like "would you like your birth chart interpreted?" So I emailed them and I later got back a response to send $100 to a paypal account I think. I didn't sign up for any newsletters but I've been now getting many emails advertising Maxwell's tapes and stuff for sale.

He sure does have lots of things he wants people to buy.

:(

I understand that people have to pay bills and what not ... but this is just bad vibes for me. I don't know :(
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