Daniel, what's your take on this?

[Ilkka]

It wasn't a message to me, as such. I needed a bit of help writing a letter and got it.

I think that subconscious was writing for you at that time, since its the one usually helping in such matters. I think the intuition sees or senses the future events and this time it helped you to do the "most" pleasing message to other being by sensing all the possible variations of future events. This is my understanding of intuition/subconscious and such. I havent heard any of the channels you mentioned only a few like "Ra"(only the law of one the older things not the new messages), "White winged collective consciousness of nine"- by magentapixie on youtube and "Bashar"- by Darryl Anka. Although they have very good views and all however I've yet to see some of those "foretold things" to come into action. I remember that Bashar told that everyone on earth will know for a fact that extraterrestial life exists in the universe, between 2015-2017. This has yet to come of course, but we'll see. Also I remain skeptical towards all channellings, espescially to those who gives us their "unconditional love" and all that goodness...... which means nothing to me since living in this place all things are still the same the very next day, so there is no change in my view just because they give us "hope". This also brings to mind this that all these religious types also say that there are "bigger things than you behind all this"(or something like that) which is all bullshit and is used to diminish us from our true potential. I'm not sure if the channels that I mention have given such "messages" I dont recall them giving those kind of messages though, only good and happy things, that seem to be quite suspicious messages and I think that it depends mostly of the emotional state of the channeler itself than the channeled "being". Maybe I am in a state of balance in the "neutral zone". I have quite indifferent feeling all day long towards all things. Of course I can be happy and laugh and stuff like that but "normally" I am just the way I am now.

[soldierhugsmember]

Be careful of Ra and Bashar. They are negative entities. I'll try to find you the relevant links.

Re: auto writing. Nah, I think it was my dead brother doing me a favour, helping me compose a letter to our sister.

[soldierhugsmember]

About Ra:

I have these extracts from a forum where Sunfire used to post but that website was fried some time ago and all the old material has gone so there is no point giving you the link

Question: Do you guys know more about the Arcturian Council and about RA ? It is a little bit weird, but it feels good to listen to him.

Sunfire: I know RA was a reptoid and was killed a long time ago.

Comment: ...... I am always suspicious when people like the guy from the video adopt well known names such as RA.

Sunfire: The original being 'RA', was a Reptoid. Draco if I remember correctly, so was Osiris, but then Osiris was a White Scale. White Scales are Royal Case. It is only through manipulation of history and time it's self, that either have been presented as human or as a 'God'.

I'm as suspicious of this claim from this person to channel the Arcturians as anyone that claims to 'channel' any ETs. As it is a violation of the Universal Laws, and also protocols of the Federation, Andromeda Council and Tri-Galaxy Council for any of their planetary members to participate in any form of channeling, as among the Federation and Councils channeling is considered a form of possession. And, Universal Laws explicitly outlaw possession, as it's a violation of the Universal Right to Free Will and several other laws.

Every time I've researched a source that claims to 'channel' positive ETs, I remember about the Universal Laws, and the protocols of the other governing bodies with influence in this Galaxy and surrounding Galaxies, and that they would not violate those laws and protocols. What I've found in researching channeled sources almost always traces back to origins of one of the Negative Groups, NSA/CIA Mind Control Programs or some other Negative based AI type entity. I cover this extensively in my Blog here, a 2 part one. It's just been my experience, memories, knowledge and what I've found so far myself, but everyone must figure out for themselves what does or doesn't resonate for them. We're not all here to walk the same path

[soldierhugsmember]

Re: Bashar
http://www.silverlegion.org/Updates-and ... 2#comments

153. King Roach The Magnificent and Most High said on 12/5/13 - 11:13AM
Re: Bashar http://wespenre.com/3/paper08-galactic- ... htm#iii.vi. Wes Penre suspects it's AI talking..... 26 June 2013 Drake show - from 1:54:00. Sunfire says,"It has been officially confirmed ....that Bashar is not positive. Bashar is from an AI source connected to the reptoids. I cannot say this clearly enough and loudly enough: It is an AI source to the reptoids."

[infinity]

I was quite interested about channeling and channels, however now that I have more info on them thanks to Daniel I'm not so sure that I would trust their word anymore.

Not all channeling is bad despite what Tanaath/Sunfire have said. Channeling is when another entity uses your body, yes? I've experienced it and it was not sinister nor dark.

I was under pretty heavy psychic attack for a period a few years back and they liked bothering me while I was driving on my own. During those times, when I was getting kind of zonked out, it felt like someone else was doing the driving for me.

I also had one instance of automatic writing and again, one could argue that this is a form of channeling. It wasn't a message to me, as such. I needed a bit of help writing a letter and got it.

I have a friend who channels during her healing sessions. It's the way she works. That's how she produces the sounds which are absolutely out of this world (which they probably are). There's nothing dark about that.

Mind you, I expect what Tanaath and Sunfire were referring to those Sheldan Nidle messages and others of the same ilk. I'd agree that those are not good and probably come from the CIA/NSA types.

I suspect this little girl is channeling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEMR3A4WLC8
And very pleasing it is too.

It is my personal opinion that you get very different kinds of channeling. I don't think we have words for the different kinds, and because the general concept behind them has a lot of things in common, we just label it all the same as channeling.

For instance, one form of channeling is not really around any specific goal or purpose, but is more about "putting feelers out". This might be one of the extreme forms of 'casual channeling', where symbols are relayed but the meaning behind them isn't constrained to linear thinking. One could revisit the experience and take something new away from it every time. I would say that this is a form of connecting to perhaps what Russian Scientists call the "Information Field". And information need not be in a "flat 1-D" form that's linear. It could be multi-dimensional in nature and thats why it can appear so "rich" or "fresh" when looked at again at a later time. This way of experiencing "multi-dimensional" information can be very engaging as it makes the experiencer feel like they're tapping into some kind of "truth" or "pattern" that interconnects many different things coherently. I believe the bible is a multi-dimensional source of information and I see how many christian friends of mine can become obsessed with the 'richness' of this information content, seeing different interpretations of the same things over and over, but not getting really "what its about". This multi-dimensional format of information can also explain why there are so many interesting "coincidences" in the bible e.g. the bible code, which does not seem to be possible to have been designed by human hands centuries ago.

Another type of channeling would be when one is upping one's expression creativity to a high degree. Music, visual art, singing, or using one's body in a certain way where you are not consciously controlling every movement, yet can move with a breath-taking grace. There's a distinct difference between an artist "going through the motions" and one that is "plugged in to something greater than themselves". It is most commonly only temporary and not even in all performances of art (sometimes happens only once or twice in an artist's lifetime). People have been experiencing this since whenever, even creating words and expressions for saying on an exceptional artist performance that "today we have seen God Himself". It is a way of expressing the intense experience (even as a spectator to a performance) of having one's emotions and being and even body moved by the artistic expression of another in a way where one feels like you got into a "river of flow" with that artist that takes you on an intense or blissful experience. It is not simply some emotional sweep-up, nor is it any form of manipulation. It is a mechanic of connectedness between human beings. And it starts off with a form of channeling by one person.

Other kinds of channeling can be extremely linear in nature, with specific information and understanding behind that information. Many inventions and discoveries have been "received through dreams" or something similar, as reported by quite a few people who were asked how they accomplished something or how they discovered it. It can involve mathematical formulas and material or chemical interactions with precision, as if the person had years worth of research or work just crammed into them in a matter of minutes and they "got it" and can reproduce or manifest that knowledge with physical devices that work exactly as they expect it to.

I've experienced a very different form of channeling than any of the above, that has to do with emotional healing, getting access to specific information about the person that I "can not possibly know". Sometimes the nature of it is empathic, other times prophetic, other times historic, etc. This form of channeling is an alignment of many parts of one's being (e.g. one's intuition for guidance, one's subconscious access to an information field of some sort, one's natural ability to transfer healing energy to another person that might have distinctly physical effects, emotional effects, or spiritual effects) towards a very intensely desired state for another human being (a state of wellbeing or wholeness). It is very powerful when both persons are fully focussed intellectually, emotionally, etc. single-mindedly on this goal and have a very trusting attitude towards one another. The gentleness of the process and the captivating flow of supernatural interaction is simply indescribable to someone who hasn't experienced it before. The relief and joy after the process (even if it was an unpleasant journey to get there) is fulfilling beyond description. A real bond of connectedness and caring affection is created between the receiver of this service and the giver of it. From first-hand repeated experience from both ends of this kind of interaction, I can tell you for sure, there's tons of channeling involved, but the type is nothing like that of a true artist that share their divine gift with other humans, or that of some "ET-ambassador" selling hope-porn.

Conclusion:
Its good to find things out for yourself and not just reject or accept other people's "categorization" of others or what they do as "bad" or "good" through some clever story-telling or spinning perspectives. I believe that different forms of "channeling" can be great and beneficial for as wide a variety of things as you get different types of jobs in capitalist society. I believe the source of the channeling is important to "know intimately" (thats not just some intellectual internalization, but something much more than that), the motivation of the channeler (perhaps even more important than the source as it can distort a good source and have bad results or it can shutup about dodgy/weird input and only share what is upbuilding to another), and the results of it (does it empower or enslave? remember, even "healing" can enslave others to become dependent on you. Its your responsibility to encourage and equip them to become self-sufficient).

I like Ra's material because its helped me get past some limiting paradigms. I like Bashar because the spin on perspective he throws on things helps get me unstuck from fruitless thinking. I also like Abraham for the same reasons. I don't really care too much about how technically correct they are nor what kind of agenda they might have. I take away what's useful to me and move on. Whether they're good, or bad doesn't matter - I benefited in a positive way because of how I processed the stuff they put out. Eat the meat, spit out the bones, as they say.

[Foxfire]

Infinity, thank you for your balanced, thoughtful essay on "channeling." It cuts through a lot of the confusion. I agree that Nidle, Salusa and others of that ilk are just hope porn and useless. On the other hand, some of the information from Bashar and similar sources seems to be useful and can be applied. As an author, sometimes I have felt "in the flow" as if the ideas were coming from the Universe as needed. As you pointed out, channeling is too broad a term to say it's positive or negative. Discernment is something learned, after you've been sucked into the crap enough to feel the difference.

[infinity]

Absolutely Foxfire. As with so many things, discernment and wisdom isn't cheap and its usually through the pain of learning through mistakes that we develop it best.

To my previous post I'd also like to add;

I'm careful when one group or one personality starts criticizing others to the point of "writing them off". Its a very common psychological tactic to create some form of personal security by criticizing others. "Others" are viewed as competition (for attention, energy, belief, whatever), so personal security and validity (for the sake of keeping followers/fans) needs to be attended. If the "other guy" is painted as an enemy or a bad guy, then as a hope-porn seller I won't need to be accountable to my followers in terms of being consistent with the message that another one is giving out, and hopefully steal some followers from those viewed as competition.

If their message should be consistent with another, while having a different agenda than another channeller source (or channeller themselves), then its a threat because their followers will want answers and explanations. They might be exposed then as the manipulator.

When a channeler or claimed source of a channel does not engage in criticism about others but will always emphasize that a person take responsibility for their own development, then that is damn good advice. But if someone keeps everyone on a string the whole time, then that's creating dependency and that's what conquerors do.

If there's anyone here that can show me where Bashar or Abraham does or says dodgy things (give some links or something), I would be very open to such input. But so far I've seen nothing but openness to debate and challenge on both of them, and I've never seen them play anyone down for any reason. In fact, its when they are challenged or questioned that I enjoyed the way they respond the most. The questions people pose to them like "what should I do with my life" is the most boring and annoying interactions. But when someone takes a position or posture and comes to them with it. Then its interesting. There's some nuggets to be gathered then. As soon as I get my ISP sorted at my new address I will see if I can find examples where I feel they earned my respect.

On another topic, anyone here familiar with a youtube user with the name "omcasey" that made video blogs about her experiences? Would like to hear the opinion of some of you guys on that. Its not scientific stuff, more like the journey of someone just experiencing OBE things and figuring out what's going on and how and why.

[soldierhugsmember]

Yah, you can't take what anybody says as gospel truth. Nobody gets everything right.

There's a history of channeling in my family. My maternal grandmother was a trance medium but she died before I was born so all I have to go by is what I'm told secondhand by my aunt and my mother. I never asked but it seemed like there was nothing sinister with that. However, one of my aunts also channeled and everyone agreed that it was not a good thing for she appeared to be aligned with some dark forces.

My aunt did suggest that perhaps not all the channelings were kosher. It was all done within the family and my aunt said 90% of the messages were to the children; telling them to behave, obey the parents etc. There was some stunning info from time to time. The most notable was when the spirits told the family when my mother was due to return from having served in the war. She joined the British Army and left for India some years earlier and nothing was heard from her during all that time. Then a message came through saying to expect her on a certain date. And she did turn up, long after everyone had gone to bed that night.

From the tales I have been told, my grandmother was a most remarkable woman. She knew when she was due to die and various people came to say farewell. One friend asked for the winning numbers for the lottery. My grandmother duly obliged but after the woman left, she told her children that while she's got the winning number, she would not gain from it. The woman bought a ticket but the shopkeeper cheated her by pocketing the money and not passing on the details to the lottery people. So yes, she had the winning number but no money!

Where I come from, we believe in fate/destiny/kismet. It's like that Middle Eastern tale of the servant who met Death at the market place. He rushed back to ask his master for a horse to escape to a far away town. The master met Death later that day and asked why he was bothering his servant. Death replied that he was not harassing the man; he was merely surprised to meet him at the market place that morning because he was meant to meet him that very night in said far away town.

If I have grasped what my friend had to say about unity consciousness, the future has happened. It's just a question of getting from here to there. We can take the long circumlocutory route or a shorter, more direct path but we'll end up where we are meant to be.

I believe this planet will shift to a higher dimension/ascend and some (maybe all?) of us will shift with Her. It seems like many have come to watch or experience this. I get a lot of messages via songs just as I am waking up and some time ago, one song that was given to me was the Ascot song from My Fair Lady which has these lines:
Every duke and earl and peer is here.
Everyone who should be here is here.
What a smashing, positively dashing spectacle ~
The Ascot opening day!
At the gate are all the horses
Waiting for the cue to fly away.
What a gripping, absolutely ripping moment
At the Ascot opening day!

Yes, even Yeshua is here but he's not what people are expecting at all - if I'm right in my suspicions, which may be completely off.

I agree we should take the meat and spit out the bones. Take whatever resonates with you you; follow your heart. We are on our individual paths and must go our own way. What is right for one may not be for another.

[soldierhugsmember]

Another type of channeling would be when one is upping one's expression creativity to a high degree. Music, visual art, singing, or using one's body in a certain way where you are not consciously controlling every movement, yet can move with a breath-taking grace. There's a distinct difference between an artist "going through the motions" and one that is "plugged in to something greater than themselves".

That makes me think of the elevator guy's experience in "The secret science behind miracles" by Max Freedom Long. I wouldn't have call that channeling but it's all semantics, is it not? You can read that book over at scribd.com. I tried that type of healing on myself. That elevator guy tried healing himself by connecting with something higher than himself and found it worked. I was visiting my chiropractor almost every week or every fortnight for quite a while when I read that book and tried it out. My problem was fixed overnight and I didn't see the chiropractor again for ages. She called me a witch when I explained why I suddenly stopped seeing her.

I was explaining this to an amateur medium during a psychic workshop and she told me that she's experienced the same thing herself. She had breast cancer when she read "Zero limits", decided that she's had enough of the cancer and said that's it. She didn't want it any more and it went away.

Do read Long's book. It's fascinating.

[Ilkka]

Hey soldierhugsmember.

Interesting reading on my behalf I picked out that you believe in fate. I am also somewhat fate believer of course our ultimate fate is to die

However things happening in life I tend to see more like variations and possibilities for events to occur. Of course the actions what you take in every given moment will lead you to certain reaction, and again to action. One could indeed believe in fate that "this is meant for to happen", but I think that there are variations of events still that either come to the oneself or they dont come, and I think that intuition plays very important part in this when dealing such "forces", so if there is unpleasant event about to happen and intuition indicates to avoid it then action must be taken to do it or not and face the consequences that unpleasant event gives that may have been avoided. I know this from personal experience, because of many unpleasant occations I have been in I now trust my intuition and commune with it on everyday basis. One good thing I learned from David Wilcock among other from all over the internet. Also my intuition/subcconscious (I dunno anymore which one is the proper term for this but lets just call it Subby), led me into this forum, although I have had choices to do otherwise. Maybe all of this is fate indeed, and maybe not, yet I remain open minded.