Are we in for a big disappointment???

[Lotus]

Daniel, what else did they try in experimenting with altering causality? How did they plan to be able to detect the changes?

[pgolde]

Apparently, the only thing that changed was that he was born with a different father. Same personality, same education, same everything else. No paradox; he led a nearly identical life, and the only big change upon his return was that he went insane and they had to lock him away. So they didn't try that any more.

The question I have is about the "he went insane " part. Was this due to his brain not being able to comprehend what was happening or was there some physical damage? Insane is such a general term, I would think he could be talked down or given a book on RS theory to explain what happened. The same stories about Philadelphia Experiment victims going insane makes me curious. I would think if people had a full understanding of what was happening, they would be ok. Maybe similar to a bad acid trip, which also has the potential of driving someone over the edge unless talked down. I suppose military people didn't care to know, just lock them up and throw away the key, bring on next disposable human.

[daniel]

Daniel, what else did they try in experimenting with altering causality? How did they plan to be able to detect the changes?

Rather than people, they tried using machinery, but ran into similar problems. They eventually concluded that you could not SEND something to do the dirty work, but you could use wave functions and harmonics to modify the temporal landscape, since it was energy, not matter, causing the changes. This, of course, imposed some severe limits on what could be done, but at least something COULD be done. The end result of this research was the TVG, the Temporal Vector Generator, which Wilcock discusses in his early videos of 2004-2006. This same device, now miniaturized to cell-phone circuitry, is able to affect temporal changes in our hypothalamus and pituitary directly, being the portal to the mind. You think all those microwaves are just going to the cell phone tower? Think again. 21st century mind control.

In the early experiments, it was difficult to detect any changes, because we'd never see anything change--only the reports from the people making the journey would indicate something changed. There was actually no way to tell if something actually DID change, or that person just imagined it. Not sure if they ever figured that out.

[daniel]

The question I have is about the "he went insane " part. Was this due to his brain not being able to comprehend what was happening or was there some physical damage? Insane is such a general term,

There was an episode of Star Trek: Voyager that described the situation clearly, "Latent Image," where the Doctor was presented with a choice... two people with identical injuries, and the same probability of survival, but only had the time to save one person. Which one? The conflict threw him into a feedback loop that crashed his program. This is what happened to those people. Two sets of memories that were in conflict with each other, to the point where one could not determine what was real, and what was not. The mind was not able to cope with the dichotomy and ambivalent feelings, so it, too, would go into a feedback loop trying to figure it out and crash, resulting in insanity.

I would think he could be talked down or given a book on RS theory to explain what happened.

Alas, the RS theory was unknown to us at that time... they were firmly entrenched in Einstein's theories. Of course if we had known about Larson then, you'd all be under the boot heel of the NWO by now, so probably a good thing.

The same stories about Philadelphia Experiment victims going insane makes me curious. I would think if people had a full understanding of what was happening, they would be ok. Maybe similar to a bad acid trip, which also has the potential of driving someone over the edge unless talked down. I suppose military people didn't care to know, just lock them up and throw away the key, bring on next disposable human.

We had similar problems at Montauk as the Philadelphia experiment. At one time, I documented a lot of it and gave it to David Wilcock... did he ever do anything with the information, about "going green" and "getting stuck in the push?" If not, I'll see if I can locate the info and post it here.

Edit: Posted it to Antiquatis a while back... The Realm of Coordinate Time (You must log in to read; not a public forum.)

[Lotus]

Rather than people, they tried using machinery, but ran into similar problems. They eventually concluded that you could not SEND something to do the dirty work,

Would they always run into mishaps with the people or devices they sent or could they go and observe and interact in minor ways?

but you could use wave functions and harmonics to modify the temporal landscape, since it was energy, not matter, causing the changes. This, of course, imposed some severe limits on what could be done, but at least something COULD be done. The end result of this research was the TVG, the Temporal Vector Generator, which Wilcock discusses in his early videos of 2004-2006. This same device, now miniaturized to cell-phone circuitry, is able to affect temporal changes in our hypothalamus and pituitary directly, being the portal to the mind. You think all those microwaves are just going to the cell phone tower? Think again. 21st century mind control.

Does this have any relationship with Project Blue Beam?

[Ilkka]

The end result of this research was the TVG, the Temporal Vector Generator, which Wilcock discusses in his early videos of 2004-2006. This same device, now miniaturized to cell-phone circuitry, is able to affect temporal changes in our hypothalamus and pituitary directly, being the portal to the mind. You think all those microwaves are just going to the cell phone tower? Think again. 21st century mind control.

Could this device have some effect on the people that would make them angry to each other? And especially when intoxicated.

I think that it might have this kind of an effect or atleast boost the "feelings" when you have some issues and almost angry and you are "taking in" the waves that would make you loose your mind and "see red".

[daniel]

Would they always run into mishaps with the people or devices they sent or could they go and observe and interact in minor ways?

As of the close of the project in 1983, they had given up trying to send people/equipment back in time, and only sent to the future. But they figured out how to "weaponize" time (that's all the NWO ever does is find ways to wreak more destruction). It worked a bit like the old Klingon sonic disruptors from Star Trek. They had a way to use determine temporal coordinates (3D time), and since the "wave" half of the particle-wave duality is in time, they found a way to use that energy to alter the temporal environment (discussed this somewhat in Time and Timelines paper). Thinking about it now, HAARP may be an offshoot of this technology.

Does this have any relationship with Project Blue Beam?

Yes, I brought that up in the New World Religion paper... all your MP3 players, TVs, and cell phones come fully equipped with mind control devices, these days. Subtle, yet effective--and highly addictive, far worse than psychoactive drugs, because you don't even know it's happening to you. Not that the NWO LIKES introducing addictive things into the population, or anything...!

[Lotus]

Would they always run into mishaps with the people or devices they sent or could they go and observe and interact in minor ways?

As of the close of the project in 1983, they had given up trying to send people/equipment back in time, and only sent to the future. But they figured out how to "weaponize" time (that's all the NWO ever does is find ways to wreak more destruction). It worked a bit like the old Klingon sonic disruptors from Star Trek. They had a way to use determine temporal coordinates (3D time), and since the "wave" half of the particle-wave duality is in time, they found a way to use that energy to alter the temporal environment (discussed this somewhat in Time and Timelines paper). Thinking about it now, HAARP may be an offshoot of this technology.

I am not familiar with Klingon sonic disruptors, so I'm not sure what the effect created would be. Would it be a piercing noise that can cause hemorrhaging? I'm still not clear if all attempts to send people/devices to the past are doomed or if it is just those that are intended to dramatically change causality. It sounds like to me that they tried to see what would happen if they really screwed up causality and created paradoxes and when that didn't work at all, they just stopped exploring what can be done with travel to the past altogether rather than actually exploring that limits and conditions of such travel. I am not sure if I properly understand the situation though so I ask for clarity.

Does this have any relationship with Project Blue Beam?

Yes, I brought that up in the New World Religion paper... all your MP3 players, TVs, and cell phones come fully equipped with mind control devices, these days. Subtle, yet effective--and highly addictive, far worse than psychoactive drugs, because you don't even know it's happening to you. Not that the NWO LIKES intro ducting addictive things into the population, or anything...!

I know. I meant did they try/are they able to create the effects of emotional manipulation, hearing voices, and seeing things in the sky in the past or future?

[Ilkka]

I know. I meant did they try/are they able to create the effects of emotional manipulation, hearing voices, and seeing things in the sky in the past or future?

Since Hypothalamus is producing(?) hormones that have effect on our feelings in an "unknown" source manner I think they are able to manipulate us to some extent, atleast those of us who are extremely emotional, but I doubt that they would actually create "hallucinations" for us, maybe a little hearing voices perhaps though.

This is my assuption of this matter sorry to intervene or something. No hard "feelings".

[Lotus]

Since Hypothalamus is producing(?) hormones that have effect on our feelings in an "unknown" source manner I think they are able to manipulate us to some extent, atleast those of us who are extremely emotional, but I doubt that they would actually create "hallucinations" for us, maybe a little hearing voices perhaps though.

For "seeing things in the sky", I was thinking in terms of manipulating light patterns and projecting holograms as suggested in Project Blue Beam, but projecting them into the past or future instead of the present. I do not know if such a thing is possible though.