So Enoch must've been a Nefilim halfbreed as well hence his flight to sit next the throne of God. Would explain why Western Christianity refuses to consider the Books of Enoch canonical work. They were a bit too revealing no doubt...
Yeah Lozion, I totally agree with you - yet you'd be surprised how many of my christian friends (the type who's actually sensitive to all sorts of psychic stuff or have actual abilities themselves) have read the books of Enoch before I even knew it existed.
I have this huge debate with my fellow christians about the bible and what they believe about it. Like, its believed that its "the Word of God" then I go to point out what about the other books (like Enochs') and they say but only the canon is the Word of God then I say "WHICH CANON, because wikipedia alone mentions like, NINE different bible canon". Then they try a different angle 'cause that confuses the crap out of them. Then they talk about how the bible itself defines the scriptures and the Word of God - but different words are used for scriptures (graphe or gramma) than for Word (logos) of God with different meanings (the one is static information, the other the bible actually defines as a person, Christ himself (eg John 1:1), and logos is used when referring to audible stuff, not written stuff like "graphe" does) - nevermind the fact that whenever one of these disciples talked about the scriptures they referred to the old testament alone since that's the only scriptures they had at the time - yet christians interpret it as including the new testament which they didn't have back then.
Bart Ehrman, a historian and expert in a bible school, points out discrepancies between the 4 gospels when you read them side by side. How the one would say they went to place A then did B and went to place C, the other gospel would mix them up and in one case even talk about a different place or person for the same event. How one part of the one gospel (in the earliest scrolls they found) is an exact, word-for-word copy of a part of another one (Mark), which is impossible for word-of-mouth accounts - so there's so much evidence of tampering. And the list goes on. And trust me, he has a LIST.
What annoys me is most is how my fellow christians abdicate their spiritual hunger to some theology instead of using that drive to expand their understanding and growth (here we'd call it raising our consciousness). Like they don't know that "occult" simply means "hidden" and the bible talks about it: Jeremiah 33:3 AMP "3 Call to Me and I will answer you and show you great and mighty things, fenced in and hidden, which you do not know (do not distinguish and recognize, have knowledge of and understand)." Its like, wtf, the bible tells me to actually ask for and learn about these things. Of course u get the dodgy black magic stuff but that isn't 'occult' by definition - heck, any sort of magic and anything to do with LMs are considered 'occult'. Hidden knowledge.
I'm gonna continue my rant about how people misuse/abuse the bible (I come from a christian upbringing so I can say this stuff):
Another stupid belief is that what makes a person righteous is "believing in Jesus" when the bible never says that ever - it always talks about how faith (a real virtue, not some religious thing) which is rapport with "God" (has nothing to do with keeping some stupid "laws" like not working on a sunday, its about trust and sensitivity in the context of a live relationship), is what makes people "righteous" (more on this later in the post). This is important because you had no one witness to the burial of Moses, people like Enoch and Elijah was "taken up" into "heaven" and never saw death, people like Abraham and David was stated as righteous in God's eyes - all this before the "blood of Jesus" stuff. So the concept of "righteousness" is so super skewed even in the most benign of denominations. And I'm talking purely biblical stuff here so christians can't argue with this shit. The book of Hebrews is all about this stuff. You also get some theology-breaking verses like Joel 2:28 that makes it clear that you can't judge anyone as unworthy or "bad" if they don't believe the same you do because then this can't be true: "It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions" - all mankind includes non-christians. So much for that belief lol.
Now on to what the bible actually says about "righteousness" - which scares the crap out of any christian because no teaches this stuff in any church. Let's check out the definition of sin: Romans 14:14 "I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. " The reason people give away their own sovereignty as beings (which are already "righteous" without having to believe or do anything, u simply have to exist) to some man-made theological concept of needing a middle-man religious idol like Jesus (who was a teacher to set people free with higher understanding, not some blood sacrifice to appease some blood god), is because people actually believe the lie that they are "unrighteous" and will go to hell - based on some conscience issue - CAUSED by church people guilting each other - NOT CAUSED by breaking some religious rule.
The resolution to the conscience issue is knowledge - not some rules about right and wrong: Romans 14: "22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves." So basically "truth" i.e. knowledge sets us free - if we don't feel bad for doing something (like breaking some religious rule like not working on a sunday) because we understand it (its about a balanced life that includes rest), then we don't have to go on some guilt trip and need no "righteousness" earned by some religious belief of doing something like saying some prayers.
My fellow christians, without skipping a beat, will then say that I'm saying the bible gives us a ticket to do whatever evil we want then as long as we don't think its evil or bad. Funny they should say that, because if you give a child a rule, "don't do X", and later you can trust them enough with it "ok I trust you with X you're old enough now" - they don't go ballistic and cause havoc. But if they're not ready and you tell them things like "rules are meant to be broken" then guess what? They go ballistic and cause havoc. It was never about right or wrong its about cultivating maturity and creating boundaries that are safe for the child to learn in. THE POINT is to remove the "don't do X" rule. But what happens when you are mature enough to not need the rule because you understand it fully and can be responsible with it? 1 Cor 13:11 "When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind." So you get to the point of "ok I trust you with X you're old enough now".
So now you can use a blade on a scalpel as a surgeon to save lives as opposed to using a blade to kill someone that pissed you off. It was never wrong to use blades - its about learning and understanding blades so you can use them with maturity.
There you go people. If any christian gives you shit, tell them to come here and PM me and show them that post. I will use pure biblical references for everything I say to them and show multiple reinforcements of it from the bible so no one can say i took something out of context.
Or you meant the old ones?